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Deborah Linn McNemee's avatar

I read The Turn of the Screw while sitting in my Victorian house on a dark and stormy night. I kid you not. And it was the scariest thing I'd ever read. Still gives me chills. Also, you've convinced me to read Middlemarch.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

Isn’t crazy how printed words on a page can impact us like that?!

Al Cacioppo's avatar

From one masterpiece to another.

Al Cacioppo's avatar

In The Innocents (1961) directed by Jack Clayton starring Deborah Kerr, photographed by Freddie Francis, is one of the finest adaptations of the written word, The Turn of the Screw, to the visual/aural/performance medium of a movie.

Roxanne OConnell's avatar

Ditto! (Shudder!!!) Have not been inclined to revisit that feeling again. Re: Middlemarch… read that when my husband (Literature & Philosophy major at University College Dublin) and I were courting with 3,000 miles between us. We would read the books he was assigned and write to each other about it. Also tackled Tess of the D’Ubervilles and, I think Mill on the Floss. That was over 50 years ago but my visceral memories of that time are still with me. 😊

Deborah Linn McNemee's avatar

Okay, that is so romantic. No wonder you married him!

Frances Burger's avatar

And I'm convinced now to read Turn of the Screw. For some reason, I thought it was a morality tale.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

Yes, and report back :)

Sunset Thunder's avatar

Was the time you read The Turn of the Screw on a dark and stormy night also the best of times and the worst of times? Was it a damp drizzly November in your soul as you were borne back ceaselessly into the past?

Deborah Linn McNemee's avatar

You know, I think it was!

Jim McNeill's avatar

Middlemarch makes Beckett look optimistic

Not-My-Real-Name's avatar

Have you read “The Romance of Certain Old Clothes”? It’s my favorite of James’ ghost stories, and it’s got everything packed into 20 or so pages: obsession, bitterness, intrusive thoughts, sibling rivalry, jealousy, insecurity and, of course, a ghost.

Maria Jette's avatar

The great British composer, Benjamin Britten, wrote a fantastic opera version of Turn of the Screw—all the creepiness of the book, enhanced by a truly glorious/strange musical score that some think of as being a turning screw itself! I’ve been in 2 productions myself (as a singer), once as Flora (my last “child role,” at 35!), and then as Miss Jessel, the vanished governess who may be a ghost, and may have had an illegimate pregnancy, which may have been caused by the sinister vanished butler…). I know that anyone who’s seen and heard it has been stunned by it, and anyone who’s been INSIDE it never forgets the experience!

If you’ve read the book, or are about to, due to the excellent description provided here, boost your enjoyment and/or terror with this 2 hour masterpiece:

https://youtu.be/nEDNzmkMmV4?si=LIrWCCvQUsOs6fSw

Deborah Linn McNemee's avatar

Thanks! I never knew this existed.

West of Eden's avatar

Yes, read Middlemarch! And I'll read Turn of the Screw.

Gisele Dubson's avatar

Middlemarch is great. Give it time to work on you. It’s my favorite of her novels.

Good News Yet To Hear's avatar

Spooky. Love Henry James! Lost hearts by MR James scariest I’ve ever read

Deborah Linn McNemee's avatar

I read The Turn of the Screw because I was taking a Henry James class as part of my Masters program. I really came to appreciate his work through that class like I might not have if I had been reading him on my own.

RLT's avatar

It truly creeped me out when I read it.

Joe Surkiewicz's avatar

Another reason to read "boring" books: the language. Middlemarch, for example, is filled with incredibly beautiful passages. Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) gets my vote as the best writer of English ever, bar none.

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

I agree. I am reading a lot of 19th century short stories and they have a lovely rhythm to them. Probably due to longer sentences and a wider vocabulary. Although, since many stories were paid by word, such verbose prose can be overwhelming to the modern reader.

Joe Surkiewicz's avatar

But nothing verbose about the novels of Eliot, Dickens, and Trollope, the 19th century British masters I've read the most.

Fran Gardner's avatar

Once you get over the page count, they are not verbose at all. I love every word of Eliot and Dickens, and especially Trollope.

Joe Surkiewicz's avatar

Often, after reading the final sentence of a chapter by Eliot, I have to put the book down and think, How could a human being be so smart and insightful to write this powerfully?

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

I agree, it is mostly a problem with 19th century short (or not so short) story writers. Trollope has a wonderful turn of phrase.

West of Eden's avatar

Totally agree. And the sly digs are hilarious. I was surprised by how much I loved it. If you accept that that's how things were then, you begin to see the women's strength and the particularity of each marriage.

Rayna Alsberg's avatar

I stan George Eliot ❤️.

Sieran Lane's avatar

Yes, George Eliot is one of my favorite writers too! :D

Rayna Alsberg's avatar

George Eliot is the shizznit.

Francis Phillips's avatar

Jane Austen is the Mozart of English prose. Perhaps Eliot is more like Beethoven?

BayDog's avatar

Great post. Any idea why this book is called Middlemarch?

Does the title suggest that women should march down an average path?

Why one word?

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

From my understanding “march” means a borderland, so the title refers to a town caught between old and new ways of life.

And it’s one word simply to make it feel like a real place name, not a phrase. Pretty clever, really.

Beth Sutton-Ramspeck's avatar

Bar NONE.

Kelly Reads Old Books's avatar

I been reading a lot of 19th century novels (for fun!) these past few years and recently re-read Middlemarch. Honestly, some of Eliot's sentences defeated me. I'd go over them several times and have to just give up and move on.

Jackieone's avatar

I revel in the memorable writings found in my collection of books from 1700-1940s. I learn new words; I’m not embarrassed by offensive slang, and the writing more often is mesmerizing!

For me, the language makes even a slow-moving plot absorbing!

Mystic William's avatar

The only reason to read most books is if they are well written. Using beautiful language.

Joe Surkiewicz's avatar

Yeah, but i’m reading a Michael Crichton book and it ain't for the prose.

Mystic William's avatar

I like murder mysteries. And some great literature. Ian Rankin. A good, but not a great writer. I know there is room for both.

Joe Surkiewicz's avatar

John LeCarre. Tinker Tailor is a classic.

Mystic William's avatar

I loved all that era of LeCarre. Agreed. Classic spy novels. Which is a fun genre.

Peter a.k.a Peterb TheMasses's avatar

Yes, the mastery of the language is remarkable. A few years ago I read Fielding’s “Tom Jones” and must admit it was challenging.

Greg Otis's avatar

Some people may find books such as these boring if they read them too early in life, before they have the life experience to appreciate them. Middlemarch may be tough going for high school students, but if they try it again ten years later they might find it engrossing.

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

As a teenager I spent long, lonely summer holidays in an old house in the Scottish Highlands. There was little to do but read 'old fashioned' books, and I loved them. Middlemarch was one of my favourites. I had few modern books to compare them to, and little else to focus on. I think my immersion in that style of writing makes all the difference. Although I also accept that life experience is important, so my understanding of those books may be very different from an adults understanding.

Katy Marriott's avatar

For me, the definition of a classic is that one can read it at different stages of life, and find completely different ideas in it.

I read many books too early (I was a horribly precious bookworm), and was genuinely surprised when I re-read Jane Austen, for example, and laughed and shuddered through what I had thought was boring goings-on of people whose lives had nothing to do with mine .

Katy Marriott's avatar

*precocious*. Sigh. Autocarrot in Spanish. 🙄🤣

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

I agree, although I don’t think there is such a thing as reading a book '“too early”. I rejoiced in the freedom I had as a child to read any book I could get my hands on (and did). Perhaps nowadays, with such a proliferation of books on so many widespread subjects, the child reader needs to have a sympathetic adult to discuss books with.

Any good art form deserves a second (or more) look. You discover new things in books, art, movies that build a more complete picture.

Greg Otis's avatar

Your teenage holidays are what I imagine heaven will be like.

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

I agree now, and as a teenager the books saved my sanity. But I could not wait to get to the bright lights of London. 40 years later, I have returned to Scotland!

Pamela S.'s avatar

Right? I would be blissfully happy if all I had to do for the rest of my life was to read. 📚📚📚

Pamela S.'s avatar

That is a very good point, Greg! I never thought of it that way.

Samz's avatar

I’ve read Middlemarch four times. Better every time.

Meg Powers Livingston's avatar

I'm a big fan of rereading, and/or reexperiencing performance in the case of plays. Truly great works hit differently at different points in life. My personal example is how different King Lear felt when I read it at 15 as the daughter of an unpredictable, alcoholic father dying of cancer, then at 35 watching an amazing performance where every character was portrayed as deeply human and nuanced (at the American Shakespeare Center in Stauton, VA), and most recently at 60 as I watch my grown children struggle with important choices as they live their lives.

Some art is influential because it perfectly captures a zeitgeist, but its reach can feel limited by such tight connection. Some works, however, just seem to transcend the cultures that inspired their creation, touching many different lives in many different times and places.

Beth Sutton-Ramspeck's avatar

I tried teaching Middlemarch to college students. The only one who "got" it was a nontraditional student who had escaped a bad marriage. I recently taught it to retirees, and boy did THEY get it.

I've read it five times now, each separated by about a decade, and it has reverberated differently each time. For example, Casaubon no longer seems old at all. I agree with the narrator now and feel sorry for him. Sorrier for Dorothea, of course, but still.

I look forward to reading it again in my next decade.

Fran Gardner's avatar

Don’t forget Silas Marner. Hardly any h.s. sophomore gets that one.

J Paige Adams's avatar

So true! I read Tess as a high schooler in a very small christian K-12 school. Teacher never once uttered the word rape. I didn’t really realize that’s what it was about until years later.

Amy Jackson's avatar

I hated moby dick and I still hate it. The same lesson can be learned without all the hunting and sailing gobbledygook.

West of Eden's avatar

Happened to me, more than once.

Cary Cotterman's avatar

I had a literature professor who told the class, on the first day, "If you ever read a book and enjoyed it, it probably wasn't any good." You should be teaching lit someplace, just to counterbalance idiots like that guy. You'd be so popular, your class would have to be in the biggest lecture hall.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

That’s the nicest compliment ever, thank you!

Greg Otis's avatar

One of my literature professors said, "I am not interested in whether you like these books. It is not the books that are on trial here." Well! That made me sit up and pay attention.

Ashley Ray's avatar

Part 2 please!

Loved this list! Wuthering Heights is one of my all-time favorites, but definitely not for why most people think. I love psychology and studying the effects of trauma. Plus the DRAMA. OMG. I just want to read it again now!

I'm in the middle of Middlemarch right now and someone asked me yesterday how it was. I replied that it's actually quite sad. No one told me that beforehand. I'm really enjoying it, but I'm grieved for the women of this era and for women today who still are caught in societal pressures and don't get to enjoy supportive, equal relationships.

Nick's avatar

just ask chatgpt, this author uses AI to write all of these.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

Chatgpt could never, have you tried using it lately for long-form content? Garbage. But I will take your comment as a compliment.

Nick's avatar

I promise you it's not hard to tell. You don't even hide it lol.

David's avatar

More AI slop.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

Hi David, thank you for taking the time to comment.

E-'s avatar

True

Braelyn Whiteside's avatar

I was thinking the same thing… sad!

Cary Cotterman's avatar

That section on "Moby-Dick" should be printed on the back cover of every edition.

Sarah Smith's avatar

Loved this post and Part 2 please!

My candidate for not boring but subversive is Dickens’ The Old Curiosity Shop. Especially the subplot of Mr Quilp and his abuse of his wife and paedophilic predation of Little Nell. It’s fascinating as much in what Dickens can’t say explicitly as what he can.

S Anne Kelln's avatar

I don't come across a lot of people (actually I've never experienced anyone) who has read AND enjoyed Old Curiosity Shop. Dickens is my favorite author and Little Nell is one of the most underrated characters in literature. I cried so so much.

Pope Buck I's avatar

I love TOCS because this was very early on, and Dickens was still writing and publishing the story serially. Basically making it up as he went along. Look at where the original weekly or monthly "installments" begin and end, and you can see where CD wrote himself into corners and how he got out.

Sarah Smith's avatar

Absolutely! It’s really difficult to get how Dickens writes without understanding the publishing industry at the time.

Pope Buck I's avatar

The "Tales of the City" series (hey, same acronym! Or almost.) started out the same way, as a weekly column.

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

I love Dickens, but you need time and a quiet room (preferably by the fire in winter) to immerse yourself in his world.

Meg Powers Livingston's avatar

And a notepad to create a chart of all the characters! (At least, I need one, or needed one on first read!) In his longer novels, Dickens has a habit of introducing secondary or tertiary characters, leaving them out of the action for 15 or more chapters, then bringing them back in, and I'd have to spend ten minutes flipping through early chapters to jog my memory on who they were. 🙃

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

Someone else who does this - thank you! It is useful in Dickens but I especially do it with Russian novels. What with the patronymic, diminutive and ‘proper’ names, I would be a confused mess without a list. I put the names on a blank postcard, then use it as a bookmark.

Meg Powers Livingston's avatar

Yes! A must for every Dostoevsky novel I ever tackled.

Gavin Steyn's avatar

I think you're mostly right on "Middlemarch," but I think it's more generally about society's traps. Of course, there's Dorothea, but think about the doctor (sorry, I forget his name) who wants to reform medical practice along better lines. (In those days, doctors had an incentive to prescribe fake medicines that didn't do anything).

Society pulls him into conformity with all the other doctors, because he can't get patients if he doesn't prescribe useless medications for every ailment.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

The original good ol’ boys club?

Gavin Steyn's avatar

Yeah, pretty much.

I also don’t think it’s fair to call it unhinged. It’s no more unhinged than, say, Jane Austen. It’s a fantastic book, but if people are coming in looking for the madness you find in Moby Dick or Wuthering Heights, they won’t find it.

Britney Crawley's avatar

I agree. I read Middlemarch for the first time in February and while it does show the constraints of the time period within the context of marriage, widowhood, politics, and medicine, it is not unhinged.

Francis Phillips's avatar

His name is Lydgate. He isn't trapped by society; he is trapped by sexual infatuation to a woman, Rosamund Vincey, in every way inferior to himself. Men can make mistakes just as women can.

Incidentally, I was in Russia ten years ago and talked to a Russian teacher of English literature. I asked her what her favourite novel was and she instantly answered Middlemarch!

Gavin Steyn's avatar

I’d argue that we’re both right. He’s trapped because she wants to have lots of money, and so he takes the path to inferiority. But it’s also true that it’s only an issue because he can’t make money doing the right thing.

But you make a great point.

Pamela S.'s avatar

I loved The Awakening. I didn’t think it was boring at all. It made me a fan of Chopin.

Also, Part 2, please.

Angela Dancey's avatar

I can appreciate your project to encourage people to read classic novels, but I don’t appreciate the simplistic and generalized critique of how teachers teach them. I have certainly never “lied” to my students about a book’s subtext or meaning, and I resent that click-bait-ish language. Teachers teach books in different ways, through different critical lenses, to students with different needs, and with different learning goals. There is no single “correct” way to understand or teach a text.

Jennifer's avatar

Middlemarch has so many gems of irony in little throw away lines that I have remembered for 45 years like “sane people do as their neighbors do so if there are any lunatics at large we will know and avoid them,”.

Sarah Peacock's avatar

I enjoy reading your Substack but wish, as others have said, that you wouldn’t divulge the endings.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

I’ll keep that in mind moving forward, promise!

K.J. Wilsdon's avatar

Perhaps have a part two, with a spoiler alert. The ending is often necessary for a full analysis.

Spencer's avatar

The two I have read from that list are The Turn of the Screw and Middlemarch. The latter is possibly my favourite novel but I am not sure how feminist and subversive it is. Dorothea’s marriage to Casaubon is to my mind more a consequence of a natural independence of spirit, including a streak of contrarianism, than an oppressive social system. And she is more or less rescued by a man at the end of the book. I would probably say Vanity Fair is my candidate for a purportedly boring book that turns at least a little wild. I am not sure any other Victorian novel ends in quite that way- no spoilers.

Liz Ryan's avatar

I love Vanity Fair for Becky Sharp. Such a shrewd portrait of a woman who grew up on mean streets and understood the world owed her nothing.

June Moore's avatar

Vanity Fair boring? Surely you jest?

Spencer's avatar

Yes that’s the point- it’s not boring!

Bobby Kaye's avatar

Dear Ms. Rodriguez:

Well played old girl, well played indeed.

Just when you thought Substack couldn’t get any better, along comes a most novel Honor Thesis.

As an 18th Century Classical English Major, I have read most of your named novels.

Your analysis is pretty much spot-on.

One thing that may be missing, which my very distinguished Melville scholar Professor mentioned, but did not elaborate on (my college years were the early 70s): Melville may have been the first of the major writers to bring homosexuality into the novel’s conversation, well before D. H. Lawrence.

Karen Rodriguez's avatar

That is fascinating! I want to hear more, thank you for such a kind comment!

D.L.Stone's avatar

I just read the Count of Monte Cristo. An unbelievably long and complicated soap opera romanticizing a revenge fantasy.

I agree with you about the several books on your list that I have read. And speaking of totally deranged, I can't imagine why Macbeth, Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet are taught in high school. If any books ought to be banned, it should be these three.